The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

Joylandi 15-Apr, 2019
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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
Read about Boeing's efforts to get the 737 Max reinstated for flight here: www.vox.com/2019/4/5/18296646/boeing-737-max-mcas-software-update
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  • Boeing should just admit Airbus is better than them

  • Boeing should be sued and responsible for all the death caused!

  • if they could only engineer a plane to be as durable as a persons shoe.

  • How are they getting away with this stuff.These stupid people care about money more than peoples lives.

  • so, you are saying that the planes were crushed on the pilots' first flights? If not, then they should be used to with the new technology (you've mentioned)!

  • this is what happens when u put something to early on the market without testing it out enough. and all those dead people only because of money and the wish of being better than someone else

  • Capitalism needs control. It has gone too far.

  • In that case why did Dassault Falcon, Cessna Citation, Fokker and other similar models which had fuselage mounted engines which were clearly above the wings never had such a problem?

  • Next time make the landing gear taller.

  • Lawsuit of the century. 💰

  • SAD!!

  • Very Good video,thankyou. It's really hard to understand why Boeing did'nt just extended the landinggears so that they could make room för the New engines

  • So Boeing completely changed the aerodynamics of the 737 but said it was the same as previous models? Who took care of the certification? Oh Boeing did!!! Says it all. So the Boeing 737 Max is an UNCERTIFIED aircraft essentially.

  • Did anyone see the 787: Broken Dreams documentary? Now the flawed design of the 737... Boeing is compromising safety for capital!

  • Problem here was that accidents werent in America with americans dying cause of it, so it must likely is gonna "slide" and wont impact the company as it should, because there should be real legal and financial backlash to boeing so they would learn the lesson wich they wont. But in all at least Airbus is now ahead and will continue to be cause of this stupid things, only problem is that more ppl are gonna die from decisions like this cause of inaction by authorities towards boeing. Finally it really stuns me how this sort of stuff is still possible to happen this days, and how companies still buy faulty equipment...

  • Profits Vs. People. No contest.

  • They (Boeing) Should Have Raised The Ground Level Of Their Planes A Bit Higher. But Nope. They Had To Raise The Engine Higher On The Wing, Which Made It Have A Side Effect. #YouHadOneJob

  • This is not actually correct, showing a fair amount of ignorance of Theory of Flight. The engines on the 737 Max being mounted higher would actually REDUCE the thrust - drag couple, not increase it. ALL aircraft with under-wing engines will tend to pitch up when power is applied and vice-versa. Also, aircraft have been fitted with anti-stall devices for at least 40 years. They will first give a "Stick Shake" warning to the pilots that the angle of attack is approaching a critical amount - then as a last resort the stick is pulled out of the pilot's hands and moved fully forward to un-stall the aircraft. BUT, like all systems, it can go wrong. What IS different, and what went wrong here, is that in most aircraft there is a simple and quick way to completely disengage the anti-stall system. THIS was the problem with the crashes, the pilots couldn't do that.

  • I am afraid this business is typical of many large American companies. Nestle - look at what the promised when they took over Cadbury's, now it's just a shadow of what it was. All they really wanted was the name. I'll never knowingly buy anything made by Nestle. God Bless America, more like God Help America. Pure GREED - at ANY cost.

  • And no one is held accountable

  • This report is faulty. By putting the larger engines up and forwards, the plane initially dove downward, then when redesigned it had a tendency to climb to steeply, bringing a greater chance of stall, thus the FAULTY MCAS system was a poorly engineered fix! The MCAS system CANNOT be shutdown without shutting off the power assisting TRIM Control. To level the plane the pilots must adjust the trim and the manual process takes to long. Two solutions. Redesign the plane so that it flys properly without assistance! (Yes expensive) Put a G****M override switch on the G****M MCAS system! (Probably already done)

  • so this is how you make money by LYING to millions of people. the official report are not done and you claim to have found a problem.

  • they couldn't just make the planes taller?....

  • You can’t just assume it was the MCAS entirely. The report has not been released yet... making this whole video essentially clickbait.

  • Greed.....the curse of man.

  • Nothing crashed at Shanksville.

  • the rush for profits in capitalism claims these deaths

  • This dumbass they moved it forward not up

  • I trust Airbus and JetBlue better because they have better safer machines than Boeing

  • Incredible. That many people died just so that a company wouldn't fall behind another.

  • "Nearly every 737 Neo has been grounded?" . nearly??

  • so it's true when the CEO of LION AIR said they are only dollars in front of Boeing Company. how Boeing company take responsibility for hundreds of people who died inside their planes?

  • This could've been avoided if: 1. They told the pilots about the MCAS for them to train more on how to control the plane and not fighting the MCAS functions. 2. If they didn't say that the new plane behaves like the previous one even if it doesn't because of the f*cking MCAS. They are more worried on how the buyers will compare both planes and ofcourse, people will tend to pick the one that is better but feels like the previous version like the A320NEO. 3. If they didn't rush things out and have a detailed plan and gave more time to learn all about the errors that the new plane is producing.

    • ok, but all this is criminal. THE cEO not fired???

  • This could've been avoided if: 1. They told the pilots about the MCAS for them to train more on how to control the plane and not fighting the MCAS functions. 2. If they didn't say that the new plane behaves like the previous one even if it doesn't because of the f*cking MCAS. They are more worried on how the buyers will compare both planes and ofcourse, people will tend to pick the one that is better but feels like the previous version like the A320NEO. 3. If they didn't rush things out and have a detailed plan and gave more time to learn all about the errors that the new plane is producing.

  • *Two questions: what does Boing pay per killed passenger,* *and where starts the next 737 max ?*

  • Boeing, please take your supporters a free ride on your test flights.

  • Boeing needs to pay for their corporate greed. the decision makers who pushed this model to production needs to be punished severely along with FAA personnel who certified it. Alas it's too late for the 370 souls who left earth . We the people of the world are so ignorant of how corporates use us as guinea pigs and thinks of the common man as cattle for them to herd and misuse to earn more money and power. How much is enough....it never is enough...basic nature of humans.

  • Not the first time boeing cut corners,read about engineers getting the sack over safety fears on the Dreamliner,

  • This video is so clearly funded by Airbus.

  • guys the plane was just tired stop blaming it

    • your posting quite idiotic and disrespectful to many families. you a brainless teenager or an old useless good for nothing junky?

  • This video is so clearly funded by Airbus.

  • Vox is clearly unimformed and ignorant of actual facts of the cause of the 2 flights to crash. As a pilot, the engines being mounted higher have nothing to do with this incident it is purely computer malfuntion.

  • Sad. Is it safe to say the CEO's at Boeing are responsible for loss of life? Or would that be too harsh?

  • The new DC-10

  • Regulation is Important!!! stop electing people pushing deregulation.

  • This is so sad, over 100 people died just because another person wanted to be the best. I feel so bad for all of the families of the people on board the plane when it crashed. Just because of this rush to have the best plane some young people couldn’t live their life to the fullest. Rest In Peace everyone who was on board the Boeing 737 MAX 8.

  • People say your more likely to crash in a car than a plane but I say which one are you more likely to survive??

  • This video lacks in something pretty basic in every accident investigation: Aviation accidents doesn’t happens because one single cause. MCAS alone didn’t caused the accident. It surely may have contributed, but there are many other factors, so that’s why media should wait for the FINAL report, that will be ready probably after a year of investigation. This video is only speculation about what was disclosed in the partial reports and airworthiness directives. I’m really sorry for all people that loss their lives and their relatives, but this video won’t help to know what really happened. Vox isn’t NTSB

  • Well I got a flight next month. Oh golly

  • The scary part is that even if they fix the software to lower the tip of the plane, Is hard to trust because the problem is the aerodynamics of the plane

  • Thanks The Lightningll for the comment about the sensors costing 10s of thousands of dollars each. So an extra 4 sensors at $40,000 each is $160K. I think that's the price of some high end luxury cars (and not even exotic ones). This is a full size airplane! It's for hundreds of people They can't spend a few extra hundred thousand on it?

  • Hmmm, who is Alvin Chang? Where did he get his degree in aviation engineering? This is Alvin Chang www.vox.com/authors/alvin/archives/24 People please do you own research. Boeing is not the devil..The 737 Max is a safe aircraft. The plane flew millions of miles without incident. 2 crashes Jakarta and Ethiopia. Is any loss of life horrible, absolutely. Do adjustments need to be made in a new aircraft. Absolutely. Grounding sure. Fix it. Demonizing Boeing over something everyone does. Naw.. I suggest all you haters take the bus or train.. you'll feel much better...

  • This did not mention that the MCAS system only trimmed the aircraft, it did not move the elevator, only the horizontal stabilizer. The trim system is controllable by a switch on the yoke (control stick). It is very easy to tell whether the MCAS is trimming as the wheel next to your leg is spinning and suddenly the yoke would feel heavier. Normally if you feel it getting heavier then you just adjust the trim. Then it happens again, so you trim again. This keeps happening until you realize that something is wrong. This is the part where they needed to be trained more so they knew how to disable the MCAS system. It is not entirely the fault of Boeing but it is still not the fault of the airline who should have trained them more.

  • It's all about corporate greed folks. You do not fix a problem with a problem. If MCAS is not disengaged soon enough no pilot can pull the plane up. Clearly a whole new plane design was needed, not a re-positioning of the engines.

  • They only missed one thing, if they told the pilots there was a mcas system, they would realise what would be happening. R.I.P Thinking

  • Don’t see the truth being told on the news you have to hunt for it

  • Design hackers.

  • Boeing’s only good solution is to delete the program and make a completely new plane that would be different enough that existing pilots have to go through a change like an A220 pilot learning to fly a 777-300ER.

  • I have to disagree with two main points of your presentation. Lives and reputations are at stake here, so it is very important to be as accurate as possible. First of all, the FAA would not certify the 737MAX under the same type rating as the rest of the 737 family because its STALL CHARACTERISTICS were different, not because of the tendency of the MAX to pitch up on takeoff. This is in fact due to the placement of the new, larger CFM LEAP engines. BTW, the sitting height of the MAX on the ground has also increased, by 9 inches. Additionally, in the Ethiopian crash, the crew made two critical errors. They did not disengage the auto throttles, which remained engaged and it the full thrust takeoff setting. They did in fact correctly disengage the two elevator trim switches, which would by design disable the MCAS system. However, because of the high thrust setting, the air loads on the elevator were so high that the crew had great difficulty manually trimming the elevator, and subsequently, turned the elevator trim switches back on in order to electrically trim the elevator again. Unfortunately, this move proved fatal because it also reengaged the faulty MCAS system, which caused additional nose down trim and eventually led to the crash.

  • It is a terrible loss for the families and to those who lost their lives Complicit in this is the United States Government as well as Boeing . But ultimately the finamcial.cost of this horriblentragedy will be carried twice by the tax payer . Boeing is heavily subsidized by the US Government and therefore all compensatory damage will be paid once by the tax payer that subsidizes Boeing and then again when the Government is Sued by the families of victims . And not a single person will be charged with manslaughter for their negligence in the charge of duty they had to protect the lives of its passengers . But the rich got richer for a time and they will skate on by with no prison term while someone who got caught selling weed 3 times is serving a life sentence. These families should take everything from Boeing. This was no accident .

  • THIS SHOULD BE A MURDER CASE

  • As long as it helps our economy it's OK!

  • The 5K dislikes are Boeing employees

  • The Free Market is the solution to every problem. De-regualate EVERYTHING.

  • I haven't been on a plane in 6 years but when I do get onto one I hope that it goes well.

  • VOX, a bunch of snowflakes preying on the ignorant masses for Likes, Shares, & Sub, SMH.

  • I've always like Airbus better. I'm not gonna be ignorant just because their usa made. If its Boeing I ain't going!!!

    • +Clayton Carter Watch this buddy and you might change your mind. uz-tv.com/tv/video-rvkEpstd9os.html Are you referring to the AA A300 crash in New York where the vertical stabilizer separated. If so that was caused by excessive rudder hard over imputed by the co pilot. It wasn't the fault of the aircraft. I was always a fan of Boeing but that was in the days of the 757 and 767. Both superb aircraft but these days money has become more important than safety. This documentary really scared me. Happy flying fella

    • Ehhhhh Boeing’s (traditionally) are better made and stronger aircraft, I remember a story from flight school that when airbus released the a320(?) a pilot pulled up hard during takeoff and it tore an elevator off, they responded by saying all aircraft will do that. Then Boeing did demos with the 737 doing it.

  • Who else is watching this because their flight was changed due to them not being able to fly on the 737 Just me? Ok

  • Thank god Boeing didn't name their new software as 'Anti Stall Software' otherwise instead of MCAS we would have heard something else

  • Boeing isn't facing more scrutiny because its a bunch of Asians and Africans that died if this happened in America it would have been a human cry. Boeing would be asked to pay through their noses, company might even get bankrupt!!! But since Asians and Africans Died lets ground aircraft fix the aircrafts and lets all be on our merry way.

  • Money money money.

  • Corruption

  • Greedy bastards

  • What scumbags. It's always about money, isn't it? Are you happy now, Boeing?

  • This analysis by Vaughn Cordle and Don McGregor is a must read; www.linkedin.com/pulse/boeing-737-max-8-crashes-case-pilot-error-vaughn-cordle-cfa/?fbclid=IwAR0jbyU3W3MRoSDxXr1idIy65EUiL6tI5ZxQPjwqpWHJMeiHzFhQUXAzzsA

  • people are rich still want more money

  • Oh look. Boeing sold the two planes as extras now ppl are died :(

  • There is no plane that doesn’t have quirky handling characteristics under various conditions. All designs have their compromises between aerodynamic efficiency and utility. Planes go through many design changes in their life, too include the placement of the engine on the wing. That’s nothing new. I don’t like Boeing, not because they don’t make great planes because they do. I don’t like them because their planes are overrated and their employees are a bunch of unionized babies. These two incidents have many things in common with accidents in decades past with other planes, but they never mention those because this story is being used politically both domestically and internationally. You all believe what you want, but there are parts of this story that are being exaggerated, and parts that are flat out being left out. All to serve a purpose. I don’t necessarily prefer Boeing to Airbus, but you can all start acting like The Lord of the Flies if you want. Because that’s what self serving animals do, they use opportunities like this to serve their own ambitions for power, money and fame by exploiting the weak minded to do things far worse. As far as Vox and their credibility, it’s not hard to scroll back, even within the last year, and find stuff they mentioned as facts, and were not. Vox is like Wikipedia to me, it’s good only as a starting point, but I wouldn’t rely on it.

  • I need a better explanation on why the engine placement increased pitch angle

    • Danny - It's the result of the airflow over the LEAP engine nacelle contributing to the lift being generated by the wings. It doesn't increase pitch angle as much as it adds to the torque around the lateral axis of the aircraft around the center of gravity, which can move forward or aft about four feet in flight and still be within the aircraft's safe CG envelope.

  • This is capitalism people. Capitalism kills people and the earth. If it's a Boeing I'm not going!

    • Lloyd Townsend...I’m guessing you’ve never studied how many people communism has killed.

  • Watch this, that is if it's not censored in the USA. uz-tv.com/tv/video-rvkEpstd9os.html

  • Boeing's aircraft are dangerous. 737, 777, 787. All grounded at one point. Money trumping safety now.

  • Boeing has some serious internal issues. Disregarding safety, cutting corners, and putting profit above all else isn't the exception at Boeing, it has become the norm. Eye-opening documentary shows the same behavior in the Dreamliner program: uz-tv.com/tv/video-rvkEpstd9os.html If anyone knows of similar issues within Airbus, please comment with links.

  • The only reason Boeing will get away with this is because it wasn't American People who lost their lives. FAA the agency that was supposed to work for the safety of the People did the exact opposite. The Government and its agencies are run by big companies. The President is Friends with CEO of Boeing. Conflict of Interest is written all over this story. It just makes me sad I hope people responsible for those innocent lives are brought to justice.

  • Boeing wanted to make money very quick !

  • they should hv put longer legs instead of modifying the plane balance feature !

  • So Sad after watching this

  • Competition with rival killed many people😟. Thank you for sharing what exactly happened.

  • F*** This AIRPLANE!!!! Deep condolences to all victims. RIP

  • CEO should be put in prison...

  • CEO should be put in prison...

  • Pity, the music on this video is disturbed by a talking man. Make the music even louder so you can forget the voice-over totally.

  • Oh we forgot to tell the pilots about MCAS system.....we bad....

  • What do you expect Boeing and USA don' t like being second best they where beaten by UK being the first to bring a jet passenger plain the comet and, " but had a design fault and was taken out of service " could not bring out a supersonic passenger plane. The UK and French Concorde and the Airbus A380. That showed how to make a plane that was better than the Boeing 737. Then this had to be icing on the cake trying to modify The 737 because the Airbus A320 was yet again the better aircraft. It sounds if someone in the US F A A was getting backhanders for allowing this the licence of airworthiness now at what cost.Shame on the USA.

    • US authorities are mostly working to make business better rather than making sure companies follow regulations.

  • What I don't yet understand is that: "If the Ethiopian pilots electrically disabled their MCAS, then why was it too late for them to control their 737 and get it out of the dive that killed them? My thinking is that with the MCAS disabled, they would manually retrim the elevators for a positive feel that would facilitate pulling their yokes back to secure a transition from dive to climb before running out of altitude...or were they already too close to the ground when they successfully disabled the MCAS?" Just my thoughts.

  • Vox negates to state that the pilots in question re-engaged the system 11 times and eventually left it operating. They had very little time behind the stick of any plane. Pilot 101, if it isn't working and you can fly without it, leave it alone. Boeing definitely needed to disclose this new system, but those airlines come from a "safety 3rd" environment.

  • Y’all need to learn about aerodynamics and the faa some more, because the amount of testing planes get into are insane

  • 4:33 The pilot asked to check the handbook? WTF What about the memory items? Weren't the pilots trained? So it's not Boeing's fault. It's the god damn airline for not training their pilots properly.

  • "this is an airplane engine" oi cheers mate i thought it was an exotic turtle

  • Just make the landing gear taller